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From: [e-mail] (Dale Clark)
Subject: Morning Glory Seeds & Nutmeg
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 15:28:05 GMT

The following is from several sources, but the primary source is called
"The Encyclopedia of Psychotropic Drugs.":

BTW, If I'm posting repeats of FAQs already researched, or wasting
people's time, tell me and I'll be glad to stop researching and
posting this material.  I don't want to waste bandwidth on something
which has already been analyzed or is well known.

    The spice Nutmeg comes from the seed 'Myristica fragrans',
a tropical evergreen tree grown in the Moluccas and East Indies.  In the
17th century, nutmeg was introduced to Europe by Dutch explorers for
the pungent fragrance and sweet tasting qualities as a flavoring for
baked goods, candies, puddings, meats and beverages like eggnog.

    The achieve the equivalent experience of 1-marijuana
cigarette, one would have to imbibe 10 grams of nutmeg.  However,
the side-effects are not so pleasant: dizziness, flushes, dry mouth,
accelerated heartbeat, consitpation, urinary difficulty, and on
some occasions - panic.  Nutmeg very rarely causes hallucinations,
simply due to the fact that the required dose to cause them is so
high that a person could die from the toxic effects.

    Due to the severe side-effects, nutmeg is not a popular
street drug and the people who tend to use it are prisoners who don't
have access to anything else.

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Nutmeg, Myristicine, effects
Date: 21 Sep 1993 19:17:14 GMT
Message-ID: <27njvq$[e-mail]>

In article <27n598$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (joachim lous) writes:
>Jens Plahte ([e-mail]) wrote:
>> Hi there!
>
>> I'm writing a thesis at the University about nutmeg production, and I've been told that the Myristicine, which is one component of the nutmeg oil, is a drug.
>
>> Is there anybody out there with som Myristicine/nutmeg experience who could share some of their knowledge with me?


\subsection*{Nutmeg}
{\it Myristica fragrans}, a tropical evergreen tree found in East and
West Indes.  Contains a number of methylenedioxy-substituted compounds,
including myristicin (3-methoxy,4,5-methylendioxy-allylbenzene, and a non-amine
precursor of 3-methoxy-4,5-methylenedioxyamphetamine), elemicin, and safrole
(specifically 3,4-methylene-dioxyallylbenzene, and a non-amine precursor
of 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine).  It also contains elemycin, eugenol,
and methyleugenol \footnote{Weill, Andrew.  Nutmeg as a Narcotic.  1965. 19(3),
194-217.}.

Myristicin constitutes about two thirds of the aromatic ether
fraction, but it cannot account entirely for the psychoactivity of nutmeg.  A
400-mg dose of myristicin, almost twice the amount present in 20 gm
of nutmeg (20 gm being assumed to be the quantity required to
produce psychotropic effects) produces only mild effects\footnote {Schultes
and Hofmann. The Botany and Chemistry of Hallucinogens. p. 121}. The author is
am not aware of any trial involving an accurate mix of all of the
known aromatic ethers.  Those occurring at more than 10 mg per 20 g
are myristicin (210 mg), elemicin (70 mg), safrole (39 mg),
methyleugenol (18 mg), and methylisoeugenol (11 mg).  Safrole is
probably not psychoactive, so elemicin might be worth investigating,
thought it is doubtful that it alone can account for the activity.

The only known mechanism of metabolization of these compounds is the
detoxification of safrole to piperonylic acid, a reaction which also
shows the capability of oxidizing olefinic side chains.  If this same
degenerative process will act on myristicin, or elemicin, then a
possible intermediate (a vinyl alcohol) could undergo transamination
producing 3,4,5-trimethoxyamphetamine, which is known to have similar
effects.

Whatever it is that causes the psychotropic effect, it is known that
various terpenes enhance the absorption.  5-20 grams of the ground
nutmeg may be ingested for mild intoxication lasting about twelve hours
and followed by deep sleep.  May cause temporary constipation and
difficulty in urination, nausea, increased fat deposits on liver, etc.
Beneficial as a spice but not recommended in large amounts as a
hallucinogen.  Safrole may be carcinogenic, and is definitely a hepatotoxin
in larger amounts.

--
"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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From: [e-mail] (Harold Jason Mulkey)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Make drinking NUTMEG EASY!
Date: 20 Feb 1994 09:27:47 -0500
Message-ID: <2k7s13$[e-mail]>

I know not many of you in here like nutmeg, but for those of you who do,
but decided you couldn't handle the shitty taste, this'll be a big relief
for you I hope.  For those of you who put up with this shit in milk, or
right outta the can (real brave mother fuckers) you're gonna be immensely
pleased with this trick.  I tried it friday afternoon, and now I'm still a
little floaty this sunday, at about 9 am.  I sent this message to someone
in response to a question concerning how I managed to put this stuff down.
So in one of my drunken/stoned states, I was making lemonade dacquiris
(try this too if you drink.  Something about lemons blocks the rum flavor
and you can make the drinks VERY strong without noticing the alcohol) and
I thought about what makes nutmeg such a nightmare to ingest, and it hit
me that it's the texture.  If I could mix it in with something that didn't
allow it to stand out, and be so noticable, I could drink it without
worrying about gagging.  So here's the post.....

I discovered a nice little trick that's gonna work I think.  If you've just
been taking a spoonful and swallowing it, you're gonna love this.  Make a
frozen drink, and put your nutmeg in with it.  Say make dacquiris, or for
me, I use lemonade, then ice and booze if you feel like it.  What makes
this work is not that it covers up the TASTE of the shit, but it masks the
TEXTURE.  That's what makes you gag, the fact that it clings in the back
of your throat and irritates your gag reflexes.  If you make this frozen
drink with nutmeg in it, the little chunks of ice are about the same
texture so you don't notice the contrast so much.  Also, the drink is so
thick that it holds the nutmeg pieces and doesn't allow them to stick at
the back of your throat.  This ALMOST made doing nutmeg as easy as any
other drug.  I put 2 oz. in what turned out to be 32 oz. of finished
product, and I only had trouble putting it down when the drink melted and
I had to drink what was at the bottom.  In all, this method made eating
nutmeg just a slight annoyance.  If you wanna try nutmeg again, try this
and it makes the experience much less hideous.


Fellow nutmeggers, you should definitely try this and tell me what you
think.  I know I'll be doing a good bit more nutmeg now that I can
tolerate to drink the shit.

   ojo         Jason Mulkey
   \-/         [e-mail]

   *> Keep on smokin' in a free world!  - What Neil really meant <*

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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:14:04 UTC
Subject: Nutmeg Tea

    After reading through the files about nutmeg on
the hyperreal.com archive I have come to the conclusion
that the *only* way to use nutmeg is by making a tea out
of it.   By making a tea, the user removes mystricin (which
is insoluble in water) and hence you don't get all the nasty
side-effects that people have reported.

    Removing mystricin doesn't remove the psychoactive
'essential oils' from nutmeg so you still get high just
no negative effects.

Proof of my assertions is as follows:




Excerpt from nutmeg.inf:

Mystricin is not responsible for the psychoactive effects
of nutmeg.
___________
From: [e-mail] (Scott Dorsey)

[snip]

Myristicin constitutes about two thirds of the aromatic ether
fraction, but it cannot account entirely for the psychoactivity
of nutmeg.  A 400-mg dose of myristicin, almost twice the amount
present in 20 gm of nutmeg (20 gm being assumed to be the quantity
required to produce psychotropic effects) produces only mild
effects\footnote {Schultes and Hofmann. The Botany and Chemistry of
Hallucinogens. p. 121}. The author is am not aware of any trial
involving an accurate mix of all of the known aromatic ethers.
Those occurring at more than 10 mg per 20 g are myristicin (210 mg),
elemicin (70 mg), safrole (39 mg), methyleugenol (18 mg), and
methylisoeugenol (11 mg).  Safrole is probably not psychoactive, so
elemicin might be worth investigating, thought it is doubtful that it
alone can account for the activity.

[snip]
___________


Excerpt from nutmeg.rpt:

When extracted into water nutmeg use does not have any
negative side effects.

___________
From: gus_lanzas*@quickmail.apple.com (Gus Lanzas*)

I have seen a few posts here about how people have had bad reactions to
nutmeg, etc.

A method I have perfected over the last few years has been to brew the
nutmeg into a tea-like drink.

You will need 10-12 nutmegs (whole nuts, not ground, although you can use
ground   nutmeg if you have a fine strainer).  You can buy these in the
spice section of lucky's or safeway.

Soak the nutmegs in water overnight, and then cut them into halves.  Save
the water you soaked them in!

Put the nutmeg halves and about 2 cups of water (use what you soaked them
in) in a saucepan.  Simmer on low heat for 3-4 hours, (you might need to
add a little bit more water as you go). When the water has turned a medium
brown color, strain the nutmegs out, let it cool, and then sweeten to
taste.

Drink 1-2 cups.

I have experienced mild visual hallucinations, and a definite "stoned"
feeling from this, and never had any adverse effects.  I have drank up to
5 or 6 cups of this brew at one sitting, but I have felt effects from just
one.

Try this whe taking mushrooms... KAPOW!

In my experience, ground nutmeg, when consumed dry, or dissolved in
something else, has some very bad side effects... nausea, vomiting,
cramps, and all the other fun stuff.

I hope this helps someone.  And if you are intending to flame me for some
odd reason, then, burn in a hell of your own devising forever...
_____________



Mystricin causes the side effects associated with nutmeg use.
Furthermore mystricin is insoluble in water which would account for
why the tea method doesn't produce any negative side effects.

Excerpts from the Nutmeg FAQ:
======================
+ MACMILLAN DICTIONARY OF TOXICOLOGY:

  myristicin
    A naturally occurring methylenedioxyphenyl compound found in
    nutmeg. It has been suggested that myristicin may be
    responsible, in whole or in part, for the toxicity of nutmeg.
    The spice (5-15g) causes symptoms similar to atropine
    poisoning: flushing of skin, tachycardia, absence of
    salivation, and excitation of the central nervous system.
    Euphoria and hallucinations have given rise to abuse of this
    material. As a methylenedioxyphenyl compound, myristicin
    gives rise to a type III spectrum with reduced cytochrome
    P-450 and can inhibit monooxygenations catalyzed by this
    cytochrome. See also AMPHETAMINES; CYTOCHROME P-450, OPTICAL
    DIFFERENCE SPECTRA; HALLUCINOGENS.


+ ILLUSTRATED CHURCHILL'S MEDICAL DICTIONARY (page 1227) and
+ INTERNATIONAL DICTIONARY OF MEDICINE AND BIOLOGY (page 1868)
  (These have exactly the same text.)

  myristicin

    A toxic, crystalline, safrole derivative present in star
  anise, parsley seed oil, and nutmeg oil. When ingested in
  large quantities, it can cause convulsions, hallucinations,
  tachycardia, and possibly death.



+ UUSI TIETOSANAKIRJA 14 sivu 342 (in Finnish)

  Myristisiini, 5-metoksi-safroli, C11H12O3, kellert{v{,
  voimakkaan hajuinen, veteen liukenematon, alkoholiin ja
  eetteriin liukeneva |ljy, sulamisp. < -20 C, kiehumap. 149.5 C
  (15 mm:n paineessa). M:a on persiljassa sek{ muskottikukissa
  ja -p{hkin|iss{.

  My humble translation to English:

  Myristicin, 5-metoxy-safrole, C11H12O3, a yellowish,
  strong-odoured oil, insoluble in water, soluble in alcohol and
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  in ether, melting point < -20 degrees centigrade, boiling point 149.5
  degrees centigrade (in 15 mm. pressure ?). There is myristicin in
  parsley, in mace and in nutmeg.


====
Here is my conclusion:

Nutmeg use appears to be like that of morningly glories.  If taken
w/o regard to any of the 'bad stuff' in the respective substances
people can have a shitty time.  But if you do simple extractions-
nutmeg's being the easier of the two - you can get rid of the bad
effects and enjoy the good ones. Btw, I will be posting results of
a naptha extraction w/ morning glory seeds soon, I just have to wait
till the flowers mature.  Anyhow back to nutmeg.

Mystricin in nutmeg is not the main 'active ingredient' .
It seems to be the other essential oils, I think in another post
there was said to be 10 of them. These oils are precursors to
MDMA, (safrole being the most notable) and would seem to be the real
psychoactives in nutmeg.


The best way to use nutmeg is a water extraction. I have not yet
tried nutmeg but I am going to use my own method as follows:

Dosage: 1 nutmeg nut.  Anything more would probably be way too
much especially for my first time.

Extraction:  Tea is a really good idea.  The only modification
I am going to make is that it would seem to be a much better
idea to grind up the nutmeg first.  This will probably make it a
more effecient and quicker extraction than trying to soak large
chunks of nutmeg. I will probably use 500 ml of water and simmer on
low heat for about an hour.  Also with the expectation that
probably half of the water will evaporate away.  I am going to look
for the coloring of the water that was mentioned by the guy who
made the nutmeg tea.

Usage: Filter, drink, and hope for the best!

I will post the results.

-R
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From: [e-mail] (caMel)
Newsgroups: rec.drugs.psychedelic
Subject: Nutmeg - a personal FAQ (of sorts)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 18:47:04 GMT
Message-ID: <46ttr4$[e-mail]>

I've been getting a lot of mail, whenever I try to discount the poor
results others have had with nutmeg, and just recently answered a
piece of mail, and I thought it turned out pretty good. So, with that,
I'm going to post my reply to him, here, as a sort of FAQ on using
nutmeg. I keep reading of how people are trying to do extracts,
milk-infusions, etc, and usually with disappointing results. Maybe
this will help...

>I was reading USENET and ran across your message endorsing the use of
>nutmeg for certain people.  I am curious as to how you take nutmeg, and
>how much.  I am always curious about new drugs, and while I have seen
>friends have bad experiences on nutmeg, I don't want to rule it out.
>
>I have read the available information on hyperreal about nutmeg, but the
>reports are often contradictory.  I'd like to get your opinion and ideas
>on the subject.
>
>So, if you feel inclined to respond, I'd love to hear your
>recommendations on how I can have the best possible first time doing nutmeg.
>
>Thanks for time.
>
>
>
>


Uh, sure.  I only hesitate 'cause I've typed this so many times, and
I'd hate to send you an impersonal form-letter of the bits and pieces
I've typed. But for starters...

You MUST plan ahead for nutmeg.  The effects last well over 24 hours.
The hallucinogenic portion only lasts the first day, but the
body-effects go well into the next day, usually 36 hours later.  One
guy I knew who did it his first time was "mellow" for that whole week.
He was a type "A" personality and everyone kept telling him how calm
he was that whole week.

It would also be good to do this with a close friend -- both on
nutmeg.  Some of the effects (the stranger ones like shared auditory
and out of the body hallucinations/experiences) might be dependent on
having someone who is close to you with you (like a best-ever friend).
Otherwise you may never even notice some of the more elaborate things
nutmeg can do.  I also wouldn't suggest you use nutmeg for a
rock-concert or rave kind of thing.  To us (back in the 70's) nutmeg
was more on the order of a spiritual kind of event if you can call it
that.  The campfire outing, or the overnight gab-fest seems to be the
best kind of environments for nutmeg.  Going out to a small bar while
on nutmeg was fun, but it got boring due to the topics and sights
(distractions) there.

If you've read my posts, you should know that the best way is to just
use freshly grated or fresh-powdered nutmeg.  Try to obtain it from a
co-op as their supplies are usually fresher than in any grocery store.
Then carefully WEIGH OUT 1 gram to 1.25 grams per pound of body mass
for each person taking it.  Try not to do more, and especially not for
a first time use.  There IS an overdose level to nutmeg, but to date
we've not really ever heard what it was.  It has an extreme
central-nervous-system (CNS) depressant effect at times.  If you are
150 lbs. try 15 grams your first time.  Depending on your sensitivity
to it, you may not need or want more, if you can tolerate it, you
might want to up it to the 1.25 grams per 10 lbs. of body-mass.

We tried all sorts of ways of hiding its flavor, but there is none,
(short of putting it into capsules, but the amount you have to take
makes that a long-term project).  Above all, DON'T try to put it in
any liquid, cooked oatmeal, or whatever to help you eat it.  Putting
it in any foods or drinks only releases the flavor even more.  Nutmeg
is fine as a spice in small quanitities.  In hallucinogenic dosages --
it takes on a puking-flavor quality of its own.  We think it's similar
to a combination of turpentine and soap.  Be warned, that the nausea
most experience is from the flavor only it seems.  I've never become
nauseated by it, but I've got a strong stomach and will.  Others have
become nauseated though, so be prepared to ignore its flavor.

Measure out the right dosage for each person, and then simply spoon it
into your mouth, trying not to moosh it around in your mouth too much,
and then wash each mouthful down with a large glass of water. The
trick is getting it past your tongue before you can taste it.  There
are some warnings against nutmeg, in that it can cause "nutmeg liver"
in which deposits of fatty tissue form on your liver.  But due to its
noxious flavor, nutmeg is not something you will want to do on a
regular basis.  In some ways, this makes it nicely self-limiting for
any abuse. There are other contraindications to nutmeg (maybe others
can add what they are). As with all things in this world, different
people react differently to them. Nutmeg is no different. If you know
or suspect you are chemically-sensitive, do less than the recommended
dose your first time. No matter what new drug, I always approach with
caution.

For the first 1-2 hours, you will probably notice nothing, except for
the occasional nutmeg-burp (yuck).

About 3-4 hours later you will probably start experiencing a sort of
alchohol and pot-like buzz -- lasting up to about 8 hours after
ingestion.

After that is where the very strange effects of nutmeg start to kick
in.  It has a powerful "downer" effect, but more importantly, reality
starts to take on dream-like conditions. I'd say on average, the best
effects kick in about 9-12 hours after ingestion.

As examples:  One time a friend told me to run an old "john denver"
song through my head.  I preferred NOT TO! but I thought what the
hell, and she told me to close my eyes and envision soaring through
the canyons and pinnacles like an eagle or a hawk while think/hearing
the song (the name of the song was The Eagle and the Hawk).  When in
this downer/dream state, your daydreams take on VERY REAL qualities,
like you are there. I opened my eyes and could only say "WOW!".  Then
as she smiled at me, I heard an eagle scream in her apartment behind
the chair I was sitting on.  We both looked startled and I said, "Uh,
did you hear something?" She said, "Uh no, I mean, you mean that
"mouse sound"?" And we both started to laugh, we were both trying to
deny what we had heard and then confirmed we heard an eagle/hawk and
heard it scream two times, in her locked, 3rd floor apartment, in the
middle of town at 3am. (to give you a time-line here, I think I
remember we took the nutmeg in the early afternoon the previous day,
making this experience about 13-15 hours after ingestion.)

These "dreams" seem to be very easily controlled and often are very
whimsical.  Another example is where I had "dozed off" into yet
another day-dream and found myself paddling down a beyoooteeful
tropical river somewhere.  It went on for what seemed to be hours (but
was only a few mintues) and when I finally looked down at the boat I
was paddling, it turned out I was paddling a giant peanut shell, I
started laughing which of course broke other's concentration or
topics..  Unlike other drugs, the hallucinations/dreams on nutmeg
never seemed to be threatening nor ego-damaging.  They were fun or
mysterious, or just darned fascinating. Yet another time, with the
"eagle-friend", we shared an out-of-the-body walk through some woods
somewhere, again verified by later carefully comparing notes of the
"dream", without trying to lead the other into answers we expected of
each other.

See if you can sustain this nodding-dream-state as long as possible,
i.e. the dreams and then comparing them with friends, which can lead
to things like the shared spontaneous auditory hallucinations, (which
seems dependent on going into and out of these states of mind).
Nutmeg seems to initiate an other-worldy synchronistic effect of
sorts. You can sometimes bring parts of your dreams into your reality
or ... something. Dreams and reality truly do overlap on nutmeg. But
you'll need another nutmegged friend to find that out. How can two
people hear the same "hallucinated(?)" noise? Or share the same dream?

These kinds of effects started to happen on maybe our 3rd try at
nutmeg (done months apart), but I've heard where others have had
similar things happen on even the very first nutmeg experience.

Eventually, the "downer" effect of nutmeg becomes overwhelming (not to
mention you've been awake for quite some time now) and one of your
little nods into nutmeg-dreamland turns into a full-fledged
snore-fest.

The next day, don't expect to do anything energetic.  In fact, we
almost enjoyed the next day more than we enjoyed the hallucinogenic
part of it.  Your muscles might be a little achy/stiff (like after a
long hike, hmmm I wonder now if maybe we hadn't REALLY gone somewhere
on nutmeg :) and feel generally tired and you'll want to do nothing
but lay around, maybe share body-rubs, take hot-showers, drink herb
tea, watch the fire-place, listen to favorite tunes, -- in short, a
MAJOR kick-back kind of day.

Granted, this was the experiences that we "generally" had on nutmeg,
but others have experienced nothing but nausea or just a light buzz is
all. No two people seem to fully react the same way on nutmeg -- the
reason for all the contradictory stories. I truly believe there are
certain "nutmeg people" for whom this drug was meant.  I hope you
might be one of those people, because nothing I've ever taken has
compared to a "nutmeg-trip" with a good friend. I wonder if, of the
many people that say it had no effect, just started getting off on it
and nodded into sleep-land instead of exploring it's effects. Most
might be slipping right past the fun part with no memory of it the
next morning. (I had a friend that used to do that on MY pot. used to
piss me off, what a waste.)

Since I don't know who you are or your age, I hope you don't mind I
add these words of caution.  Even if the other people or person does
not want to do nutmeg with you, try not to do nutmeg alone.  Due to
it's hypnotic/sedative qualities, it would be very easy to wander off
and you wake up finding yourself in a strange place (which could be
dangerous, or driving which could be disasterous). At one campout
(just a few years ago), a guy wandered off chasing the coolest
fire-fly he'd ever seen.  We thought he had gone to bed.  The next
morning we asked him why he was up so soon. He said he just got back
>from  being lost in the swamp.  He was fascinated by the hoards of
fire-flies that night and just layed down in the dry swamp-bed to
watch them. He could easily have gotten completely lost or if it had
been cold, gotten hypothermia that night.  Have someone watch over
you, even if they too are on nutmeg. His first nutmeg experience
turned into a fascinating trip with nature, he couldn't stop telling
us how fantastic his night was -- but it could have ended up bad, if
the weather had changed, if he couldn't find his way back..

I hope this has helped.  If you have a good experience, let others
know. There's been too few good stories compared to the nay-sayers.
But when they are good, they are really good. I think most are just
not doing it right is all.  Extracts, milk infusions... in my opinion
they're a waste of time and only lead to disappointment.

(I type fast, sorry to have said so much, but ya know? This one turned
out pretty good, I should save it for a personal FAQ. :)